Comments on: Surrealist women http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/ • • • Being a journal by artist and designer John Coulthart, cataloguing interests, obsessions and passing enthusiasms. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:18:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Eva Vankova http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/comment-page-1/#comment-40746 Eva Vankova Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:56:05 +0000 http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1207#comment-40746 Hello, I like picture for Toyen. Do you have this pleas this artist? Do you have pleas post my informacion I have very much interest. Thenk you Vankova Hello,
I like picture for Toyen.
Do you have this pleas this artist?
Do you have pleas post my informacion I have very much interest.
Thenk you Vankova

]]> By: John http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/comment-page-1/#comment-39833 John Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:53:40 +0000 http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1207#comment-39833 Thanks Daniella. Yes, that makes sense, the Surrealists were fairly open about sexuality but--like most men of their generation, I suppose--their attitude to women reflected the order they were otherwise stood against. The same thing happened among radical groups in the Sixties, as the emerging feminists frequently pointed out; men who were politically avant garde still treated women the way any member of the establishment would. The little I know about early Soviet art would bear out a picture of parity between the sexes, at least for a while. I posted earlier about Vera Mukhina's huge monument: http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/02/21/dead-monuments/ The example of that shows that the authorities of the time had no qualms giving an important public project to a woman. Thanks Daniella. Yes, that makes sense, the Surrealists were fairly open about sexuality but–like most men of their generation, I suppose–their attitude to women reflected the order they were otherwise stood against. The same thing happened among radical groups in the Sixties, as the emerging feminists frequently pointed out; men who were politically avant garde still treated women the way any member of the establishment would.

The little I know about early Soviet art would bear out a picture of parity between the sexes, at least for a while. I posted earlier about Vera Mukhina’s huge monument:

http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/02/21/dead-monuments/

The example of that shows that the authorities of the time had no qualms giving an important public project to a woman.

]]> By: Daniella http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/comment-page-1/#comment-39808 Daniella Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:05:36 +0000 http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1207#comment-39808 To answer your question (I just came across your post to which I am replying... ), the Surrealists didn't really "give female creators more of an equivalent status". Andre Breton, who wote the Surrealist Manifestos was generally not a supporter of women artists. The female surrealists mostly developed on thier own, and in their own style/subject matter, and as you say, orbited the "group" through their husbands/ lovers, etc. In art history, the only "art grouping" that really seems to have had equality for women was the Russian Avant Garde movement of the early 1900's. (Popova, Stepanova,etc.). This mostly seems to be because the general idelogy of this movement was equality for all. And, it seems, they actually practiced this. I say "seems" because I have no first hand accounts from women, so with out that there is no way to truly know if women felt they were "equal". Nice choices of art, by the way. To answer your question (I just came across your post to which I am replying… ), the Surrealists didn’t really “give female creators more of an equivalent status”. Andre Breton, who wote the Surrealist Manifestos was generally not a supporter of women artists. The female surrealists mostly developed on thier own, and in their own style/subject matter, and as you say, orbited the “group” through their husbands/ lovers, etc.

In art history, the only “art grouping” that really seems to have had equality for women was the Russian Avant Garde movement of the early 1900’s. (Popova, Stepanova,etc.). This mostly seems to be because the general idelogy of this movement was equality for all. And, it seems, they actually practiced this. I say “seems” because I have no first hand accounts from women, so with out that there is no way to truly know if women felt they were “equal”.

Nice choices of art, by the way.

]]> By: Wiley http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/comment-page-1/#comment-9336 Wiley Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:38 +0000 http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1207#comment-9336 I have to agree with Nathalie. Fini's is great, I think I am going to check her site right now. I have to agree with Nathalie. Fini’s is great, I think I am going to check her site right now.

]]> By: Nathalie http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2007/01/04/surrealist-women/comment-page-1/#comment-5192 Nathalie Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:30:46 +0000 http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=1207#comment-5192 My personnal favourite is Leonor Fini (I grew up amongst her paintings)... My personnal favourite is Leonor Fini (I grew up amongst her paintings)…

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